republicans fighting those hikes, say that one of the victims would be america's small businesses. >> people need to call him and ask him the question are you also talking about the small business folks. >> if you look at what he's doing, as jon kyl mentioned, raising taxes on small businesses -- >> so we hear that all the time, small business, small business. but would the president's plan really take a dent out of what we think of as mom and pop shops? joining me now is glenn kesler of the "washington post" fact check. great to have you here. speaker boehner made a similar claim about small businesses recently and you guys gave him criticism on this. how many mom and pop shops could see higher taxes under the president's plan? >> it's not really a lot. in terms of -- part of the problem is the way people manipulate the data but it's only about depending how you look at it, 3% to 7% of small businesses, people would think of as small businesses, are actually -- would actually be affected by the president's plan to raise tax rates on people making more than $250,000 a year. >> let's t